Entei on the Horizon EditionWhat is Pokémon Sleep?Pokémon Sleep is a sleep tracking app that utilizes your smartphone and/or the Pokémon Go Plus + device to record data as you sleep. In doing so, you'll be able to meet a variety of Pokémon and fill out your Sleep Style Dex.Be sure to post your Research ID so that you can add and share candy with fellow Anons. We are currently locked at 50 friends.FAQ:>How do Shinies work?If you encounter a shiny Pokémon, you only need to feed it a single Poké Biscuit to befriend it.>What should I spend my diamonds on?Expanding your ingredient pockets, item pockets and Pokémon box. Long term you’ll want to max out ingredient pockets, only get half of max for items and max 100 for Pokémon.>When should I use my items?When you have a good grasp of the game mechanics. You may want to save up Recovery Incenses for event missions.>What should I spend my sleep points on?Poké Biscuits first or if you’re a premium user: Main and Subskill seeds and Great Biscuits.>Can I play this game if there's a lot of noise where I sleep?The game tracks sleep based on motion only; sound has no impact.>A Pokémon I fed got full! Will I have to start from scratch the next time I find one?Nope! Pokémon retain the level of progress they were at the last time you fed them.>How do dream clusters work?The higher your research rank, the more you get. You may want to hold onto them until it’s necessary to use them.>Pokémon Website Pagehttps://www.pokemon.com/us/app/pokemon-sleep/>Unofficial Pokémon Sleep Wiki[WARNING] Cancer-ridden with ads. Use at own risk.https://pks.raenonx.cc/en>Simple Candy Calculatorhttps://candy.blspnm.com**Back up your account by linking it to Google or your Apple ID. If you change phones, or factory reset, your account may be lost otherwise. At the very least copy your Support ID on the first Pokémon Sleep screen (click to reveal Support ID under menu)**Previous: >>55843032
>>55891527I was willing to let it die. Seems like (You) aren’t.That’s fine, have fun keeping these up.
Are you ready for Greengrass turning into a volcanic area?
>>55891527Guy on my list has been away for over 7 days. Anyone with low amout of friends need extra?
>>55891604Watch these threads get way more active during the Entei event proper.>>55891611Pretty prepared. I've got three pretty good fire types, a 60% area bonus, and a whole bunch of Pokémon incense ready to use.The first week is confirmed to have a "use 7 incenses" task by the way. A great time to use them.
>>55891655These are the incense I have right now.All but the Ralts incense can be used on Greengrass.
Only need 6 more research styles until I unlock the last pot size upgrade, hoping I can get it before the end of week 1 of the entei event so I can get my bonus to 60% for week 2
Anyone's pokemon not triggering any skills since the maintenance? I'm slowly running out of ingredients because neither of my Magnets have activated. Same with my e4e user
>>55892290You know now that you mention it. M wiggly hasn't procced once. I thought it was because it's energy was low today but I gave it an energy pillow hours ago.
>>55892297>>55892290nvm it just did.
So I have these two primeapes with only enough room on the team for one. One has helping speed M and berry finding, while the other has helping speed M with helping bonus. Is one generally better here?
>>55892290Nah, my Wiggly's been proccing as frequently as ever.The Flareon I switched in this afternoon already proc'd twice too.
>>55892342As nice as helping bonus is by making everything else 5% faster, Berry Finding S is a bigger contributor on a single Pokémon, than Helping Bonus is to the team.
>>55892342I'd go left.
>>55891527I want to stop hoarding, which one should I keep?
>>55892342Easiest way to check is to>open raenonx team analysis>input your team with left primeape>see the overall predicted strenght>swap it for the one on the right (adjust it so it's evolved and same level, of course)>check final strenght>pick whichever was higher
>>55892527Anything with helping bonus is a little less straight forward to assess, because it's making the whole team better.Pic related is me seeing what my Wigglytuff was doing, both its E4E contributions and Helping Bonus were being factored in.
>>55892547I know that HB speeds up the whole team, but isn't that precisely the point? You're going to be using the HB mon on a team, so it's only natural that you evaluate its performance on a team, right? I could've expressed myself a bit better, but I meant to check the final predicted snorlax strenght, the big number at the very bottom.
>>55892581Helping Bonus ends up being misleading because it calculates a lot of its strength from your other pokemon. So whenever you happen to switch out stronger individual helpers, the pokemon with Helping Bonus suffers as a result, whereas an individually strong pokemon will continue providing its well... individually strong power.
>>55892415Top left is best by virtue of Berry Finding, but it's a little weird to build, because it's constantly going to be sneaky snacking due to lack of inventory space.
>>55880052>Not everyone can easily just get 8 and a half hours of sleep a dayimpossible if they have a job
>>55893344set it on sleep before you get into bed and after you get up
>>55893552>gaming a sleep appAt most i set it as I'm brushing my teeth before bed. What the fuck is the point of having this installed if you're just going to fake sleeping?
>>55893654maybe you should only use energy up nature pokemon
>I can't lose access to my phone for that long if I'm still awake!If you have a job buy a go++ and use that instead
>>55893661I get plenty of rest. In fact, i get better sleep thanks to the app because I use it as intended.
Looking for one one researcher. All you gotta be is consistent.9461-1861-5641
So what's the appeal of this game exactly? Is it like GO?
>>55894287you’re encouraged to get consistent and more sleep, as you get pokemon and train them up by doing so
Can you guys please fucking choose anything else but jigglypuff
>>55894003Closed.Welcome, Daniel.
>>55893344I have a full time job and manage quite well. It depends on if I remember to set it at the right time and if I wake up early. Sadly I can only really get 7 hours of real sleep 90% of the time but sometimes i can get 8. I used to think the exp down natures were best end game but it’s actually energy recovery down if you have a decent healer.
Had to remove some more people so I have some more slots open if anyone is looking for a good snoozer.
>any pokemon releases>week-long event where you can find it in GG and get incense>not for onix though lolWhy is this thing rarer than bigfoot
>>55895169>Why is this thing rarer than bigfootJust don't think about it and he will show up
What should I evolve this Eevee into_ Hardy nature btw
>>55895233>Hardy natureno idea what that is.
>>55895265Neutral nature
Managed to catch both cynda but not enough biscuits for the hot dog.
>>55895233>male candy
>>55895174literally anything and it'll be great
>>55895233Could make for a good Espeon. In Lapis you want as much help as you can get, so Helping Bonus is really nice, as is Berry Finder S at an early level. Skill Trigger M will give you a decent rate of procing Charge Strength M for the added support as well, even with the neutral nature.
>>55895529>>55895233Don't all eevees want the exact same nature and skills?
>>55895559Not exactly, but most function very similarly since they're all the same line. I split them into 2 categories...Skill Level-focus:>Vaporeon>Espeon>SylveonBerry-focus:>Jolteon>Flareon>Umbreon>Leafeon>GlaceonSkill Level-focus you actually want their build to focus around using their ability, so Skill Trigger M and Main Skill Up natures, plus Skill Level Up M is always welcome.Berry-focus basically just makes Eevee incredibly modular to fit what type you're missing for any given area or type. You care less about skill activations or levels, and are more about Berry Finding S and helping speed. You could also use Eeveelutions categorized under skill-focus if you really need those types, but they're better suited for their role if you can help it.
>>55895600Glaceon is skill focused too.
>>55895559For Jolteon, since it's main skill is unremarkable, the preference is to go for BFS and helping speed boosts instead since it has a remarkably high helping speed.This makes it a good pick for a Raikou team, where Raichu is the best berry gatherer, Ampharos is a great Charge Strength M user, and Dedenne's Extra Tasty S use really helps with cooking crits.(There are still no electric ingredient specialists).There's no saving Umbreon because it's main skill recharges its own energy, which only makes sense for Berry or Ingredient specialists who can actually deliver on gathering strength directly.Umbreon is outclassed by all other dark types in some way.Pic related are the most relevant Eeveelutions spec'd as BFS helping speed focused, or Skill Trigger focused (without main skill level ups).You can substitute Flareon for Glaceon, they're about the same with the same main skill, though Glaceon is slower with stronger berries.
>>55895638So flareon is the worst? He has lower numbers.
>>55895600>>55895626With Flareon and Glaceon, I'd argue that Cooking Power-Up S is a very helpful main skill, good for using up ingredients if you have too many, and for cooking bigger dishes you can normally only make on a Sunday.Watch Flareon be incredibly helpful during the Entei event when your fire types are gather waaaay more ingredients than normal due to the event boosts.With Leafeon, Energizing Cheer is helpful but can't compare to Energy for Everyone, but it was at least recently rebalanced to prioritise helpers with the least energy which'll be relevant to giving those with Energy Recovery reducing natures a leg up.With Umbreon, BFS can't save it. Baseline it under-performs against every other dark type except Sableye, and it's main skill only boosts itself. You're far more likely to run a Glaceon for Snowdrop Tundra.
>>55895663>You're far more likely to run a Glaceon for Snowdrop Tundra.Why do people like going to tundra so much?
>>55895650Flareon has a niche that it can gather milk and cacao for Taupe Hollow.Your fire type Entei team is realistically going to be>Entei>Charizard>Typhlosion>Ninetales>FlareonEntei is your Helper Booster, working best with a full fire team. Ingredients yet unknown.Charizard is your ingredient gatherer, and grabs sausages and ginger.Typhlosion is your berry gatherer, and grabs ginger and fiery herbs.Ninetales is another berry gatherer, and grabs beans and corn.Flareon is your cooking pot booster, and grabs milk and cacao.Flareon is preferable over Arcanine, because it's a skill specialist with that unremarkable Extra Helpful main skill, and grabs fiery herbs and sausages which your Charizard and Typhlosion could already be doing.The team I've outlined here can prepare these recipes, barring the ingredient diversity that your Charizard can occasionally bring, and not yet knowing what Entei brings.
>>55895694Nah, I'm going to use Arcanine because he looks cool.
>>55895684I actually haven't been to tundra myself yet, but it's be silly to not have teams ready for each map, or specialists of each type ready for whatever Greengrass rolls.I'm currently planning on going to tundra for the first time after the Entei event. This week I'm at Taupe Hollow, and I'll be evolving my BFS Pupitar into Tyranitar at the end of the week to complete a "use 262 candies" mission.Pupitar will graduate from a Taupe Hollow specialist to a Snowdrop Tundra specialist, and Entei will take its place.
>>55895703Based Karen poster
>>55895694>Giving up ArcanineNo.
>>55895626I feel like its base trigger rate and just level 2 Cooking Power Up is enough for it to focus more on berries than adding as much to your pot as possible. You also have to have a team that will gather that many ingredients each cook, but also make sure that you're not over-committing. Given the nature of skills, it's inconsistent to rely on having extra pot bonus, making it likely that you'll end up with an overflow regardless. Mine has just a base activation rate, but it usually managed to hit at least 1 if not 2 activations per meal period.>>55895684I don't think anyone actually prefers Snowdrop, but it's an area in the game with unique spawns so you'll have to build for it eventually.
>>55895711How many sleep sessions have you had? I haven't gone there either since it just unlocked for me recently but We've had so many events where I needed to be somewhere else. I'm at a bit over 100 sleep sessions
>>55895911I hit 300 sleep sessions today, it's just that I strongly focused on Lapis Lakeside because it's a much nicer area with far better encounters (including what you DON'T encounter).These are my current research areas>Greengrass Isle>Strength Record: 2,283,058 (Master 18)>Area Bonus: +60%This is so high because I had an extremely good roll on Raikou week, and my level 50+ BFS Raichu.All my teams run Wigglytuff and Raichu because of E4E healer role, and how damn good the Raichu is over-compensating for a lack of favourite berries elsewhere.>Cyan Beach>Strength Record: 919,048 (Master 12)>Area Bonus: +50%This one's last because I don't have any strong BFS Pokémon for this island, need a worthwhile Feraligatr.>Taupe Hollow>Strength Record: 1,374,367 (Master 12)>Area Bonus: +45%This one's good because of my BFS Typhlosion, Charizard, and Pupitar.My team sucks at doing curry weeks here, ironically.>Snowdrop Tundra>Strength Record: 0 (Basic 1)>Area Bonus: +0%I'll go here soon, my BFS Pupitar will be a Tyranitar soon.>Lapis Lakeside>Strength Record: 1,576,544 (Master 8)>Area Bonus: +35%My strongest team thanks to my BFS Meganium, BFS Victreebel, and Bewear that gets BFS at 50.
>>55891527Energy down is the worst nature. Even with e4e I can't ever manage to keep them above 80% because they start less than 100 each day and get smaller heals than everyone else from e4e procs.
>>55896341The impact isn't as severe at helping speed down.Any helper with Energy Recovery Bonus exactly cancels out Energy Recovery Down natures.
>>55896363>Any helper with Energy Recovery Bonus exactly cancels out Energy Recovery Down natures.No because you'd need the energy recover bonus on the helper with energy down. Energy nature down is huge. It's extremely difficult to keep them above 80%
>>55896383Anon, Energy Recovery Bonus is a team-wide bonus like Helping Bonus or Sleep EXP Bonus.
Everyone's first Entei, like all Legendaries, will be identical. Undoubtedly they'll have the exact same skills and nature as Raikou's. Now I'm just wondering if I should use a Masterball early or just wait until I exhaust my Entei Biscuit supplies first.
How do I erase my helper teams?
>>55897303I wouldn't use a master biscuit for your first one personally. The mane exchange is there to make getting an Entei viable.I'm not sure that the pre-determined skills/nature will be identical to Raikou, but probably in the same vein.Here's some recommendations for making the most of the Entei event>Save up for Pokémon incense for the event and use them during>Use your good camp ticket just before going to sleep on Sunday - this lets you get 8 sleep's worth of ticket bonuses if you start sleep early enough on the last day of the ticket>Both together means +2 spawns and at least 2 guaranteed hungry>More spawns means more mane samples earned>Save your Entei incense for later in the week; better chance of encountering 2 or 3 star sleep styles>You apparently need a minimum Drowsy Power of 116m to encounter 2 star Entei sleep>Fire Type Candy S will apparently be available in the item exchange, however if you specifically want Entei candy then exchanging those directly will be more rewarding>There's Good Sleep days on the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th, overlapping the first week of the Entei eventAlso a reminder about the bonuses for fire types:>They'll gather +1 ingredient any time they gather them>Their main skill will a 1.5x trigger rate>First week, their main skill will be boosted 1 level>Second week, their main skill will be boosted 3 levelsIf you've got a full fire team ready you're going to be swimming in ingredients, especially if you've got a good Charizard. Having a Flareon will help use up all those surplus ingredients.
>>55897371Select the Pokémon you want to remove from the team, re-select them from the list and you'll see a "remove" button in place of where the normal select button would be.This also lets you run a team of only 4, 3, 2, or 1 Pokémon if you want to do that for some reason (like manipulating Extra Helpful S triggers), though not sure if that works.
>>55897414Yeah but how do I remove the last helper from the team? Not your current team but the helper teams you can make and have on standby.
>been stockpiling pokemon incenses to use during entei week for more mane drops>currently on Taupe hoping to find a better BFS Cyndaquil before I invest in the one I have with no speed up skills/nature>once I hit Master 3 and get my Cyndaquil Incense i'll start stockpiling ingredients for the rest of this week>have my camp tickets ready for Sunday night>have 2 Ez-Camp tickets ready to reroll Greengrass if I don't get any good secondary berries>holding onto a master biscuit + enough points to buy a second one if necessary>willing to drop diamonds on some of the bundlesAnyone else ready to Enteimaxx? I managed to catch 3 Raikous during the last event, might try for 4 or 5 Entei since it's my favourite of the trio + will actually be usable in Taupe Hollow.
Be honest, you're not even using your Raikou...
>>55897526Only because the only time Raikou is relevant is the ~1/6 chance that Greengras rolls Grepa berries. Unless we get a new island where electric is guaranteed as a favoured type, Raikou is gonna be sitting in storage most of the time, whereas Entei and Suicune will be instantly useful in Taupe and Cyan respectively.
>>55897526I didn't get a great Raikou, though if they ever introduce mints I have an instant winner because one was ruined by it's nature alone. That aside, there hasn't been a need for Raikou because no island has electric berries set.Entei has very obvious usefulness for Taupe Hollow.
Nice that they're making the startup easier, because I remember when I first started, I was barely able to even get a full team in the first week.
>>55897526I wish I hadn't wasted a master biscuit on one.
>>55897526Duh, we don't have an electric island yet.
>>55898291>, I was barely able to even get a full team in the first week.I didn't know that you guy a free biscuit every day and kept "saving" them
>>55891629I have 40 open spots>>55894724request sent
>>55899002I wish you posted this earlier. I literally just added someone within an hour ago from a few threads back
Berries > Ingredients >= Skills*
Best I have to become a flareon unfortunately, but probably not worth subskill seeds.
>>55900040Goddamit
>>55900047Looks like a worthwhile Flareon, agree that it doesn't warrant subskill seeds but the 25/50 skills are beneficial.My Flareon has Sleep EXP Bonus, which has been nice for Taupe Hollow and will continue to my nice for my Entei team.
What's the best way to get more poke biscuits? I haven't had enough to catch everything in a while.
>>55900365at least the Helping Bonus will stack well with all the buffs during the event.
>>55900615You're trying to catch everything? Every day?
>>55900666not every day just when there's lots of good stuff that I don't have a good copy of yet
>>55900615Well, you either exchange for Item Bundles with Diamonds or buy the Premium Pass if you're out of your monthly 30x Sleep Point Exchange stock. You should never try to recruit a pokemon with only Poke Biscuits just because that uses far too many of the biscuits you're normally allowed per month. Use them in conjunction with your Daily Biscuit unless the pokemon is hungry, but generally you should only be spending a maximum of 3 biscuits on 5-pip Pokemon.Note that as f2p, you don't actually have access to enough biscuits to recruit 1 pokemon everyday unless you get enough hungries. At the 5-pip minimum to recruit, it'll take your Daily Biscuit plus 2 Poke Biscuit, which would exhaust your 30x stock halfway through the month. We've been getting enough events and gifts recently to fit in some extras, but you do have to manage your supply so that you don't run dry.
>>55900780>Premium PassI have this but there's been so much stuff to catch lately.
I've gotten nothing but dozing sleep all fucking week.
>>55900819That's actually good, because you'll be less likely to get dozing again next week then.
>>55897407Thanks boss, may your Enteis be at least quite useful
>>55900615Only feed hungry mons you need.
>>55891527Is it just me or are skills triggering way less than usual?
>>55902287I think it's just observation bias, my Wigglytuff didn't trigger most of today until this evening, and only twice.Funnily enough most of the other Pokémon, including berry specialists with main skill down natures, triggered more often today.
>>55902287I've been experiencing that as well. >>55892290I'm lucky to get 4-5 triggers between the whole team this week.
>>55902313>>55902325Usually my wiggly triggers at least 2 or 3 times and up to 5 or 7. This week it feels like I'm lucky to get 2 in one day.
Anyone saving their fire candies for Entei?
>>55902560No. Last time I got maybe 300 raikou candies.
>>55902560Yes, alternatively Vulpix.The Entei you receive will already be level 24-26, so it doesn't take as much to get it to level 30 and there's an exchange of 1 Entei candy for 2 mane samples.I still need a good BFS Vulpix with corn, every one I've befriended so far has been disappointing.
>>55902579>alternatively VulpixSame. I've caught maybe seven of them since they were added and I haven't liked any of their rolls yet, however. Probably would've used the candies on one already if I had. I should've masterballed the Ninetales I saw just for another shot at good subs.
>>55902573As of right now, I have around 397. I haven't spent any Raikou candies I ever received. Without candy boost, I can only take one to around mid-32. I know an extra 40 is great longterm, but it's not terrible either.
Also haven't ever put Raikou in my team so it could passively generate candy, I should've added
I just can't wait to get out of Taupe. I've been here for at least a month with little to show for it. I'll probably wait to push for more water Pokemon on Cyan since there'll be some sort of Water week there too.
>>55903026I feel you there. I want to spend as much time as I can at the lake.
>>55903026Does it even matter now? Does Taupe give any bonus over Greengrass? In fact, isn't it worse just for being slightly harder to raise sleep power on?
>>55903026I find a decent growlie and vulpix. No good cynda yet. This is my best cynda ever.
>>55903098All areas have unique spawns, so I've been there to get mostly Fire Pokemon. Alas, I come out with none worth training thus far. Greengrass is the easiest, but also probably the worst island. The preferred berries are random so it can fuck your team, and the dream shards from the stuff you get there is rather low. Not to mention since almost every Pokemon is there, you can't really "look" for anything specific.
>>55903412I've found some pretty solid rock and ground types there. I just need a better cynda and vulpix
My best Vulpix so far. Gonna hope I get a better one before the event, though
>>55903955That seems amazing overall, but I wish I could boost such a thing to 50 before the event. Honestly not worth the resources to go that hard as f2p though.
>>55903412I know areas have unique spawns that Greengrass doesn't. I should have specified in the context of preparing for Entei and Suicune. I do develop other areas than Greengrass myself, but it seems like trying to maximize power during an event means Greengrass is the best option.
>>55904186If the 25 and 50 skills were the other way around, I'd power lvl to 30 for sure.
>>55904198My Greengrass is already maxed. And the point in going to other areas was to get those specifically-typed pokemon, not build up area bonus.
I'm going on a trip from the 18th to the 26th, about 40 hours total travel time so I may miss a day or a few of researchpls don't unfren me :csincerely,daaeed
>set phone down on bed to start tracking around 8:30>Phone doesn't start tracking for 2 more hours>Doesn't record last 3 hours of sleepI'm so sick and tired of this shit happening
>>55904861When you start tracking and when you "fall asleep" are two separate things.It should be tracking from the moment you start tracking.The game doesn't register you as having fallen asleep until you hit your first slumbering phase, so if there's a lot of motion and struggling to fall asleep that's why.As for the last 3 hours missing, wouldn't surprise me if the phone did night time routine stuff like background updates and it closed the "inactive" app to save memory/resources.See if you can change app settings to give the app processing priority. Dunno if you can do that on iOS but it works on Android.
>>55904198>>55904253I put together a sheet of what I consider "Goal Pokémon" and why, and where to find them.Goal as in team building, putting aside favourites. Sorry, Arcanine.Exclusions from the sheet are stuff like Raticate, Persian, Arbok, Arcanine, Magnezone, Marowak, Pinsir, Ditto, Sudowoodo, Wobbuffet, Heracross, Sableye, Swalot, Gallade. Many of these have difficulty justifying their use for a given area and have better options.Poison types have it really bad in this game as desirability goals, Toxicroak is at least a good source of Pure Oil.Many skill specialists also have it bad. Gallade is a huge downgrade over Gardevoir.Tbh this sort of visualisation in a simple table is what Raenonx needs for its Pokédex listing. An "at-your-fingertips" visual reference of what you can work towards and where to go for it. It visualises that most of what you want is at Greengrass.Having built this sheet also means I can filter by criteria, though Raenonx does that too.
>>55905157>lucario
>>55905180Strictly as a Dream Shard farmer.Although, actually comparing it against Swalot, it seems like Swalot is the superior farmer due to the variable version of the skill having a higher average earning.Swalot also has a slightly better trigger rate, due to it having a better trigger chance in spite of a slower helping speed against Lucario.Lucario's advantage is that its Cheri berries are at least helpful on Lapis Lakeside. Chesto berries don't have a set island yet.
Cut off my subscription. I hoarded enough seeds and biscuits to last for a good while - 20 great, 60 regular. I already have 2 other passes going for other games.
>>55906148You'll be losing thousands of Sleep Points, and your daily bonus biscuit won't hold up.I'm happy to keep my subscription going, I get my money's worth.
Yay, my very first Onix. I wonder what its stats will be...Its nature describes my condition quite well.
>>55906226I’m at about 20k sleep points, I’ll last a while. The points were really just to clear the premium shop, but I still would have an excess.
>>55906540Have you caught good versions of everything you needed? Who's your best helper?
>>55906591I guess this guy. I’m still looking for a good Chikorita, its already at 50 friendship. But I do have a good enough team for LL to casually get the Master 3 incense.
>>55906640>2300 hoursGeez
>>55906655Yeah, Metronome procs crazy fast. Even if the skill is random, anything is good. My tasty rate went up to 30% before it was sunday before. Also getting dream shards is pretty underrated, especially for down weeks.
>>55900780not him but is premium actually worth the money?I don't really buy anything from the monthly sleep points store, should I be spending them? I have like 20 poke biscuits right now plus a few more we got on the mail since they last for ages
>>55907056>I have like 20 poke biscuits right now plus a few more we got on the mail since they last for agesHave you already caught everything you needed? I never have enough.
>>55907056I really don't see how you could wind up with an excess of poke biscuits, especially as f2p. There is actually a pretty wide variety of Pokemon that can viably fit into a team, so averaging less than 1 recruit per day is unthinkable to me. Sure, there are times where you actually get a bunch of nothing, but those are pretty rare.
>>55907274comparing my sample size of one to your sample size of one, I get nothing most of the time. easily 4/7 days a week minimum is just a bunch of riffraff. I'm looking for Vulpix, Cyndaquils, Charmanders, Onix, and maybe a good Larvitar. instead I get Geodudes and Gastly, and their evolutions. This week's mission of befriend 10 pokemon is still at 1 and I have 2 days left.
>>55907295>>55907274nta. but maybe it's because you've played long enough to catch everything needed? For me, and id guess newer players, I could use a better version of pretty much everything I had. There's many berry specialists species that I don't own yet with BFS. Quite a few ingredient specialist I don't have with optimal spreads. I usually catch at least 1 helper a day but I've been out of biscuits after catching onix and a bunch of fire types the last couple weeks.
>>55907274I’ve played since release day. You don’t need to catch everything. I don’t want to catch everything. First of all, only a handful of Pokémon are actually good. I tend to focus my efforts on things I like or things I know are actually good. I never catch evolutions because they’re a waste of biscuits and seeds to fix their main skill being down 1 or 2 levels.That being said I tend to catch more of the things I know are good even if I have one because if I do somehow manage to land the luck of getting a perfect Pokémon then I can slowly replace the other - or use both.
>>55907056Idk about the value since it’s f2p but I have had it this whole time and honestly this game would be a ball ache without it. With the premium biscuit It takes away that chance that you can only feed 2 biscuits before a Pokémon is full. The 100 points are worth it because you end up with about 6000 a month instead of 3000 PLUS the 1000 you get for purchasing it and then another 1500 or so for the full moon events every month. Totalling to 8500 sleep points or more. The camping ticket is great for hoarding for events - being able to naturally have the chance to encounter Raikou after one or two nights because I could get enough snorlax strength was great. You get the rare candy L every month which is great to get your main bitch to 55 asap. Likely Sylveon, wigglytuff or Gardevour asap.Also if you don’t have the pass you miss out on skill seeds every month. These are SO fucking limited that if you haven’t had premium you’ve already missed out on like 10/12 for the year.If you don’t have premium you can’t even access the skill seeds so I suppose the extra sleep points don’t matter much. But those are probably the biggest reason to get it cause otherwise it’s impossible to actually max out your mains.
>>55907295>>55907366>>55907566Here's my view of Taupe spawns from a f2p perspective.
>>55907650>You get the rare candy L every monthWhat? I don't remember getting this
>>55907750explain cubone, absol, digglet, and geodude ranking
>>55907924O sorry you have to pay for 3 months and keep the sub for it.
>>55907938NTA but Absol is the best gatherer of cacao or apples, whilst Dugtrio is the best source of Leeks (though not great at it) and Golem is a great beans and potatoes gatherer.Marowak, doesn't have a lot going for it though. Whilst it is the best ground berry specialist, better Fire and Rock type picks exist.Dugtrio will quickly be dropped when level 60 is unlocked, and ingredient specialists with leeks on 60 finally get to shine.It's actually pretty absurd how few can gather leeks at 30, then how many can at 60.
>>55907938>CuboneA stock standard Marowak is generally unimpressive and only held up by the fact that it's the only Ground-type that gathers berries. It's rather slow and its ability isn't capable of pushing it much higher.>AbsolIt's good, but like most single-stagers, it's pretty hard to actually recruit, which lowers its priority for me. It's capable of very high ingredient values since it starts with Cacao, but it also necessitates Inventory Up even more than other ingredient gatherers.>DiglettDugtrio is a primary source of Leeks next to Ditto. And if it has BFS, is actually fast enough to overtake most non-BFS Marowaks.>GeodudeGolem currently has one of the highest rates for actually gathering ingredients, easily capable of providing pot filler with beans, potatoes, and eventually mushrooms.
should I go with the skill level up M eevee or the skill trigger s eevee for my Flareon...
Togekiss metronome just activated fairy Entei skill...
>befriend 10 pokemon>Get master 3 on lapis
>>55908794Skill level up is stronger short term but weaker long term. I doubt anyone would use a main skill seed on this so I would personally go for the skill level up. The skill trigger works on its own rate, so technically you’d be receiving less than 2 ingredients on average per day vs getting 4 or more ingredients where it’s going to proc every day already on its base stats.
>>55908806This was possible ever since Raikou showed up. Technically you can run a full Fairy team now, but it wouldn't be very good. Togekiss, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Sylveon, and Comfey.
>have a Kirlia (male)Is evolving to Gallade worth it
>>55909751If it has Berry Finding, you could use it as a Fighting-type substitute. But Extra Helpful is lackluster as a skill, so I doubt Gallade would be much better than a Primeape.
>Dozing sleep at Taupe Hollow, again>Suddenly, shiny Toxicroak>Helping Speed M, Helping Speed S, Inventory Up M>Full Oil ingredient spread>Timid natureIt turns out the subskills saved it from mediocrity, but levelling it to 30 now makes it my best Pure Oil gatherer, and it's a prime candidate for a Naughty or Rash mint in the future.So, neat!
>>55910022Guess he's becoming a Gardevoir (male) then
>>55908999yeah i'm not looking forward to going back to lapis after the event
>>55910185I am, I can hit Master 8 there.
>set phone down on bed at 8:20 and his start session>Lay down 10 minutes later to go to sleep>Wake up, check time on phone, phone is on home screen at 2:15>No session recorded>Try to record a session for the three hours I can sleep before work>Game only saves 8 minutestwo nights in a row this game has fucked up on me and it's getting extremely irritating and annoying
>>55910208this has never happened to me
>>55910401this reply was meant for >>55910278 but also applies to where i pointed it
My second shiny to be remotely usable.
No BFS, but with the extra fire type triggers coming, might still be nice.
>>55910763
>>55910763Remotely is right. I guess it'll level up fast?>>55910767Actually an incredibly solid Cyndaquil. Almost the best you can get without BFS.
4397-0114-0970Room for 9 more active sleepers for Entei fluff
Fuckin ingredient finder nature and at lvl 25, is this just trash?
My first Vulpix that isn't completely stacked with ingredient finder skills and/or nature. Still has inventory for its first skill though...
>>55911720it has the best two subskills in the game, and a while not an ideal nature, it isn't help speed downit's like a 95/100 bird
>>55911720Don't trash, BFS is so good it override any "penalties" from ingredient finding boosts.I have a Raichu just like that and its ability to gather berries, apples, ginger, and later eggs is really helpful.>>55911772To be honest I'd keep looking. The payoff is too late and the EXP gains down nature makes it worse.Plus is lacks corn on 30. You REALLY want that because corn is something that was missing from Taupe Hollow, and is a key ingredient to making "Inferno" Corn Keema Curry.A team of Charizard, Ninetales, and Typhlosion can be enough to get everything needed for this top-tier curry, so long as the Typhlosion has fiery herbs on 30.
>>55911933Is this one worth it?
>>55912041That's far more worthwhile.The nature isn't ideal (more the EXP reduction than the ingredients up), but having access to Helping Speed M and BFS by 25 is a boon.
>>55912146You want me to use a seed on this?
>>55911258It's just #2/18 of my shinies. It's also #2/2 of my cyndaquils
>>55912320Maybe not, but it at least has that option.
Between these two, which one do you guys think is the best? Neutral nature kinda sucks but both seem decent
>>55912526Pupitar is the better of the two. It ultimately has a helping speed advantage albeit at level 75, the Larvitar doesn't have anything other than BFS and one Ingredient Finder subskill.Main skill isn't that important to Tyranitar although it's helpful if you aren't running an E4E healer.
>>55912526Just keep going with the Pupitar. It will appreciate the inventory space when it gets to 30+ and it's got a good nature. Plus it gets access to Helping Speed far, far down the line, but it's still worth more than getting too stacked up on main skill stuff. Plus since it has Berry Finding, Ingredient Finder isn't as important.
>>55912526probably right
>>55911258Well that makes me feel a bit better. I'll evolve it then
>>55891527What time are you using your good camp ticket? Or are you waiting until the second week?
>>55912866I'll probably use mine this week. Could help me find even better fire types for week #2.
Just barely got through to master 3 at lapis without needing dinner, so now I can stack my pot for a big breakfast Monday (already have +27 space)
>>55905157I will peruse this at some point, appears alright at a glance (though I know nothing).>ArcanineYou don't think it's a good monster in Sleep, why? I kinda like help assist as a main skill.>Sudowoodo badAlso why? My first shiny was Sudowoodo and his rolls seem pretty decent for his MS. Tomato-soi-soi for gathers, trigger S, level-S, helping bonus, inventory-L and level-M for subs with a neutral nature.
>>55913308Extra Helpful S is a tremendously underwhelming skill, it just targets a random Pokémon and has them instantly produce 5-10 gathers depending on skill level.It's too random to be effective and it could just as easily pick out a skill specialist and only give you like 4 berries and 1-2 ingredients, or pick out an ingredient specialist and give you 15+ ingredients.Helper Boost which Raikou and Entei have on the other hand, with a structured team can produce amazing results by removing this randomness and having everyone gather just as many helpings all at once!As for Sudowoodo, it's very slow and isn't as capable of a Charge Strength M user as Ampharos or Espeon.DESU that's a pretty good Sudowoodo for its role and sounds usable for a Taupe Hollow team.
>>55913843>>55913308Also is Arcanine even the best pokemon that has Extra Helpful?
>>55913852There's only three Pokémon with Extra Helpful; Arcanine (and Growlithe), Jolteon, and Gallade.Baseline, Arcanine is apparently a better performer because of its fiery herbs. The crux of how useful Extra Helpful is largely depends on your team formation so it's difficult to measure.
>>55913886I mean who can get the most procs
>>55913843Glad to hear Espeon is decent as far as its MS is concerned. Hoping my first shiny Eevee has has nice subs for becoming Espeon since thats my favorite eeeveelution shiny. Vaporeon is my second favorite.
>spent all week trying to find a half-good cyndaquil or vulpix>naturally get balanced or snoozing type every single day but one>almost exclusively find growlithe, including a shiny and one with lvl 10 BFSWho let the dogs out?
>>55914338I bet the first one returns the most power with a full team. Really lucky to get all 3 skill trigger.
>Event BGM I'm liking this
>>55904861Yeah, it's super annoying. Someone on one of these threads advised me to leave it on a solid surface (such as a nightstand) for 10-20 minutes after initiating sleep, then moving it beneath or next to the pillow afterward. I rarely do it, basically only when I get butthurt enough to, but it seems to consistently work when I do.
>>55914894I usually leave the phone on the bed for like 10 minutes and it starts tracking. If I just read something on the bed alongside it then it wouldn't
>>55915096nice! congratulations
>>55915132thanks!! :)
>>55914338At least you came out of this week with a pretty damn good dog (right). My Handy Candies are starting to pile up real high from weeks of nothings.
>>55915319>rightLeft is FAR better of an arcanine.
>>55915363Maybe if its main skill was something else, but the one with Berry Finding is putting out a whole lot more power than a couple extra activations will. Not to mention it softens the blow of Arcanine hitting itself.
>>55915385No, not really. That left one is going to proc a LOT.The fun of a skill proc > fucking raw numbers you fucking minmax dumbass.
>>55915394You can use all the "fun" builds you want, but don't try to pretend it's better.
>Didn’t cook dinner on Sunday thinking I could bring it over for Monday and the event at reset>Cook breakfast lolNOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>>55915096Did you edit this?
>>55915430He probably used 1 apple to cook or something
Raikou bros we are so back.
>>55915730
>>55915426Someone wasn't paying attention to recent updates lolDinner time is now 6pm to 3:59am
I've got one slot free, please, someone
>>55915730>>55915732i'm more jealous of being able to wiggle this week
>>55915732I got fire/dragon/normal.Don't have a worthwhile Altaria or Dragonite, and I'm pretty sure my BFS Raichu way out-performs my BFS Raticate.Will just keep using the same team I had at Taupe Hollow until I get a Vulpix worth using.
>>55915962you can travel ticket if you're just waking up and want to try for different berries, dragon normal wouldn't be great for me either
>>55915972Nah, I'm just gonna roll with this since the set fire berries should be good enough.I'll consider doing a re-roll next week instead if I don't get something favourable like grass or electric. I might already be rocking an Entei and/or Ninetales next week anyway.
Entei apparently gets Oil / Tomatoes / Mushrooms.You know what that's actually great, these are all ingredients that fire types were previously lacking!A team of Charizard / Typhlosion / Ninetales / Flareon / Entei can have some excellent ingredient variety and make lots of dishes possible.
>>55916042These are the dishes you can make with such a team at level 30.
>fire / rock / dark>saladsPractically just a repeat of last week but with dark instead of ground berries.Sidenote: what's with the dozing spawns on taupe being absolute trashcan pokemon? When rubbish gets added it has a slot reserved in taupe I'm sure
>>55916060All poison types are dozing, like how all grass types are dozing, all fire types are snoozing, nearly all water types are slumbering, all rock types are also slumbering.You do get the Gastly family with Dozing sleep at Taupe though, so that's something.Houndour and Shuppet are also Dozing at Taupe, but it otherwise really is far too many Ekans, Gulpin, and Croagunk.I can't complain too much, it's nice getting a 3 star Gengar or a shiny Toxicroak this past week.
>>55915385>>55915394Do you have any proof or numbers to back up your claim?
>>55916088Huh. I never noticed. I guess I doze the most then since I have poison types as my most seen
>>55916116you can't really run numbers on arcanine's skill cause it depends entirely on the rest of your teamlike a 25 arcanine with double skill trigger subskills and +skill-ingredient nature will absolutely shit on a 25 arcanine with bfs and help speed m if they both have a team of level 100 favoured berry bfs slowpoketail gathering pokemon
>>55916203Run the numbers using ideal level 30 to 50 helpers for this week
>>55916302If anything, the extra ingredient potential only further buffers a skill focused skillmon.
I rolled Salads and Steel/Ghost, which is great because I have a fantastic Gengar. I can't decide on the rest though. I can make good salads consistently, but the only Fire type I'd have on my team would be Charizard.
>>55916340I got dark and poison? So I rerolled and got ghost and fighting? But it didn't matter anyway since I caught a quilava that is probably better than my gengar after the fire bonuses.
Your secondary berries don't matter anyways beyond day 1.
>>55916136I'm pretty sure that poison types are also this game's designated "trash" rolls.That's the gacha aspect of the game; a prize every time, but not the prize you want or can use.
>>55916387No, we just don't have a poison island yet, so they just seem bad.
>>55916302that's a lot of work and i don't want to do it
>>55916399Arbok is one of the worst berry specialists in the game due to its poor helping speed, we'll need a better poison type berry specialist.Part of the issue is that poison is quite commonly a secondary typing, such as for Venusaur, Victreebel, and Gengar, which are all excellent Pokémon in Sleep, but went for Grass or Ghost instead.If we're to get a good poison type berry specialist, I'm banking on it being the Nidoran family.As for ingredients and skills, Croagunk is a bit slow but it's a pretty good Pure Oil gatherer, just not as amazing as others are at gathering stuff like honey, milk, sausages, etc.Swalot is apparently the best Dream Shard Magnet user, due to how the variable version of the main skill is much better than the non-variable version that Lucario uses.
>lum berry rollI haven’t used this guy since last year
Whole lot of blue skills for a whole lot of nothing. Also almost every Pokemon I captured this week AND the previous week had Energy Recovery Bonus, Research EXP Bonus, or Inventory Up as their first skill. They'd better give me a good Entei or something, because I haven't had anything to actually train for months.
>>55916493That's a hella good Butterfree.Gonna be great when there's a Bug island.Maybe we'll get something like Chargestone Cave or Cavern? Electric / Bug / Steel.Would mean the other island would be Ghost / Poison / Dragon.
>>55916562The first Entei is confirmed to have the exact same starting spread as your first Raikou btw.>Sleep EXP Bonus>Skill Level Up S>Inventory Up L>Helping Speed S>Skill Trigger S>Neutral nature
>>55915430Saving ingredients for this week but still wanted the energy boost so I used a potato
>>55916353Yeah, I actually switched someone out for my Quilava since I had a lot of Oil saved so I don't need to be constantly making it.
>>55912041Just leveled this thing to 30 for corn. Maybe I can find a Firestone soon.
should my team this week be all fire stuff or should I make the team with all my best stuff?
>>55916833Well is it better even after the bonus to fire types ingredient and skill boost?
>>55916833This week probably whatever but next week Entei team will be godly with event buff. My raikou team got m18 during 2nd week and a very good raikou I caught with only 2 bfs.
>my arcanine has proced 3 times already todayIf only he was at 50 for trigger M, next week is gonna be fun when it's going off lv6.
>>559169074 now, also hell yes.
Will my typhlosion with skill level 7 proc a level 10 charge strength s or does that not exist
>>55916833Depends mostly on the level differences. Like for instance a level 30 berry Fire pokemon can compete with a non-favored berry level 50 pokemon.>>55917427No, they said the skill level boost can't break current max skill levels.
>>55917461you aren't taking in account the increase for skill procs or ingredient procs
>>55917485Level 30 vs Level 50 is a pretty generous comparison, but anything less than a fully evolved pokemon with both ingredient slots unlocked isn't going to compete.
By the end of the week, flip over that Snorlax and it'll look like an over-grilled steak.
>Curries>grass, bugsWhy couldn't I get flying instead of bugs?
>>55917914Butterfree is a lot better than you'd expect, but I don't fault you for not having one ready.Otherwise a good roll if you can use a Meganium.
I'm going to fucking destroy Snorlax's bellyussy this week. I better get a good fucking Entei or I swear I'll commit a crime.
>>55917802Don't worry, it has Thick Fat.
>>55918098Lol, I still don’t have one decent fire type.
>>55920003Post your best ones. You probably have some decent stuff.
>>55916907He procced like 7 times in total, my Typhlosion procced like 5.Fucking shitlizard only did once because of fucking course charizard is useless.
I didn't even realize that +1 Main Skill Level was active. I thought it was just 1.5x activation through the event, but adding +3 Skill levels only on the second week.
>>55920016The two on the left are the first decent ones since ever. They are from this morning and after I wrote that.The ones on the right are the only ones I kept from fire prep week, one of which is a shiny so it doesn’t count. Literally everything else was shit, mostly shit like +xp-speed or almost all white skills except for research xp bonus or two ingredient skills at 10/25 with neutral nature on a cyn.
>>55920369the first 2 are pretty good.
>>55920369I'd be all over that first Vulpix, it's got helping speed, BFS, corn, taters, and EXP+ nature even.I cannot get a good one for the life of me, befriended two this morning and they had nothing usable.I'm 0/8 on them.
need friends, 25 slots open kthxbai 2730-6438-6394
>>55920378>>55920465They are decent, yes but honestly even as a hold over they require seeds to justify me using them since the mons i already got are strong enough to ignore non-favourite berry or lack or sausage ingredients.I will keep them until Entei week is over, that’s for sure. Then I’ll compare them with what i will have gotten.
How's this vulpix looking? Thinking of investing in its business proposal of I give it candy and it triggers its skills.
>>55891527First cynda with bfs. is it worth investing in? Every cynda I find has speed down or ingredient finding skills
>>55921114I'd wait for bfs and or corn
>>55921123You'd wait for bfs in all 5 slots if that was possible.
>>55921133 Seems like a waste to pump up berry specialist without bfs or a bunch of speed.
>>55921133BFS in all 5 slots would be absolutely busted.At level 25 they'd be supplying 5 berries per gather, and finally 8 berries at level 100.With a berry specialist like Vulpix that needs a fire stone investment to evolve, you have to be more picky about which one you evolve.It having corn is also really important because it makes some of the best dishes more readily accessible when running Taupe Hollow or all-fire teams.
For the debate of helping bonus vs BFSWhich one would you go for?
>>55921144I'm just tired of the gameplay loop of waiting 24 hours to roll the correct sleep type so it can roll the pokemon I want in that type, so that I can try to roll for the only S+ tier skill on every single one of them. When 99.999% of the pokemon encountered in a pokemon game are objective downgrades because they don't have BFS, it kills whatever little enjoyment can be obtained by a sleep tracking app.By the time I do find a BFS vulpix I'm sure I'll be well past however many candies I'm gonna give this one.
>>55921197Did you go to taupe hollow for the last month?
>>55921245Yeah
>>55921258Did you catch every vulpix you saw?
>>55921261Yeah I caught the 2 vulpix I saw that month. This is the third one.
>>55921269This is the one I'm currently using
>>55921274I think I like this one more. but I'd still wait until you find bfs
pretty sure that if i dont use entei and instead 2 raichus i get more power but im not a gay min maxer
>get bfs vulpix>no corn and neutral natureDoes God hate me?
>>55921545it could be ingredient up and exp down
>Entei in Pokémon Sleepthat reminded me of a meme in the Brazilian Fandom about a 23yo autist having dreams about Entei saving him and saying "everything its going to be alright now"god, i miss pre-2010 internet
>>55921119Technically it's better than most non-BFS variations, but it really does only have that one skill going for it. Depending how close you are to friendship 10, it's probably worth waiting. EXP down is actually pretty harsh for berry farmers, because they do want those levels to increase their berry power.>>55921164Depends what you really want to use it for. The Charmander is generally a better choice for its intended duty. Berry Finding scales better with pokemon level and works surprisingly well for ingredient-types, but could still use some better supporting subskills.
Mane rates from friend research seems to be massively increased from last time.
>>55922119It feels like the opposite for me, I've had maybe 8 mane samples from 4 friends. Have fewer than 40 active friends though.
>Arcanine pops on Charizard for x8>Entei procs for x8My shitlizard exploded into sausages.
>>55922398I really wish my Charizards had Ginger at 30 instead of more Sausages. I only need so many Sausages, but at least they're marginally better than Moomoo Milk or Honey.
I'm debating between these Eevees, any of these good for turning into a Flareon?The one marked with Sylveon seems decent to turn into it, or not?
>>55923287plug them into the raenox eevee calculator
>>55923478>recommending ad-riddled garbage
>>55923287>Top LeftIsn't really worth turning into anything.>Top RightCould fit either of those roles, but it's a long journey for them to be able to pull their weight. Ideally you have Berry Finding in one of the first slots. Eevees should be common enough for you to get friendship rank 10+ and continue rolling for Berry Finding at level 10. I'd probably choose to hold back.>Bottom LeftCould serve that role, but you'd have to be putting a lot of Main Skill Seeds into it to be of much worth. Like above, you could also wait until you get an Eevee with Skill Level Up M at level 10 instead, saving you 2 skill seeds.>Bottom RightNature hurts it really bad. Bad enough to consider not using it despite having Berry Finding. Though like previously, Eevee should be easy enough to find/boost to friendship rank 10 where you're guaranteed the gold skill at level 10 and just continue to roll from there.
>>5592211916 yesterday, 29 today. Full list and most seem active, generally 45 research letters received a day.
Any real reason not to use an Entei incense tonight? I know you'd want to wait until you reach higher ranks for sleep styles, but there's 9 incenses available for 2 weeks. Unless you can reach master 13 in 3 days you won't be able to use it all up optimally.
>>55924119I don't exchange for the incenses unless I know I can give it a full or considerable amount of biscuits. Even though you get a "rebate" for using them, you're going to be using up a lot of manes without being able to fully capitalize on it.
>>55891527How many Entei biscuits are you saving up for before using an Entei incense?
Are you looking for helping speed or ingredient finding on ingredient mons?
>>55924546Both.https://youtu.be/LkcTM3i0YwU?si=g0uOhMb8tkFC5xYt
>>55924568no shillings pleasei'll check the japanese community instead
>>55924119>>55924168I'm mostly just waiting until I can get a better chance of seeing a 2/3* Entei, since that will get me a lot more dream shards and help count as more sleep styles.
>>55924568Stop shilling your videos already.
Free Entei cookie gift.
>>55924119I use a master biscuit on night 1. Easy. Save the rest of the manes for things other than entei biscuits.
>>55924119Using up all available incense won't really be viable unless you're spending diamonds to get the bundles, of which better bundles are offered on the second week.Using Entei incense on the first day isn't a great idea because you're limiting yourself to the 1 star sleep style, but the Good Sleep day on the 22nd/23rd/24th would be a great time to use your first Entei incense.
>>55924963you explain it all then
>>55925392you literally did when you typed both
Man, I really want to merge these two.
>>55925322What are the requirements for better sleep styles for Entei? Probably the same as Raikou's, right?
>>55925884raenox currently says entei is slightly harder than raikou, but afaik this doesn't get mined and they just manually work it out. they don't have anything for style 2 or 3probably is similar, so >115mil sleeps
>>55926025if it were bfs -> help bonus it'd honestly be great to eventually get those other bonuses
>>55926228I have a BFS raichu already, maybe I'll toss this gold hoarder on the electric team I don't have.
>>55923895>friendship rank 10 where you're guaranteed the gold skill at level 10ive been playing since launch and i had no clue this was even a thing. i gotta lurk in these threads more
>>55926361it's helpful to get a bunch of dream shard bonus eevees
>>55926361>>55926381Yeah, having a guaranteed gold skill on 10 is very nice, as it turns into a 2/7 chance to get something unequivocally beneficial.>Berry Finding SStraight up massive boost to strength gains, benefits everything>Helping BonusWhole team performs 5% faster, benefits everything>Skill Level Up MGreat for free to play, maybe disadvantageous to premium who can use main skill seeds, but it's still a reduction in investment and a big pay-off for skill specialists or valuable main skill users.For your berry specialists? Maybe not.>Sleep EXP BonusWhat you lose in an individual Pokémon's ultimate strength gains potential, you make up for having the whole team get a significant EXP boost cutting days or weeks off sleeping times.Best on Pokémon that fill out a team rather than aim for perfection.>Dream Shard Bonus>Research EXP BonusUnlike Sleep EXP which semi-directly improves strength gains potential, these diminish that potential.The 1.06x bonus is too small against the reduced gains, and maximising Drowsy Power is a goal because the real Dream Shard and Research EXP rewards come from finding the much greater sleep styles.>Energy Recovery BonusA somewhat unwelcome subskill, in a game that's designed to encourage you to sleep a solid number of hours.The issue is that sleep energy recovery caps at 100%, if this subskill were modified to raise that cap then it would be welcome.Otherwise, it's good for two things: neutralising the energy recovery penalty for Pokémon with such natures, and for players that do have two scheduled sleeps a day (such as siestas in hotter countries).
Correct me if i'm wrong, but having access to skill seeds kinda nullifies the skill level up subskills?Obviously not for f2p players, or at least until a f2p gathers enough seeds
>>55926860You won’t even hoard enough seeds for all your mons or even just your healers to justify not being happy about skill level up s or m.
>>55926900but since most people are minmaxers to death here, anything not having the perfect nature and subskills and the right combination of ingredients means 5 candy
>>55926860That's still a month per skill level. There are times where you might not necessarily just want Skill Level Up M and Skill Level Up S stacked as your first 2 skills, but there really aren't that many subskill combinations that would make you want to avoid them. Even if you had a pokemon with the "best" skills, there's still a couple slots for wiggle room.
>>55926860Correct, main skill seeds are preferable to skill level up S/M, because then the subskill slot can go to something directly beneficial like helping speed, skill trigger.It's about min-maxing the potential of a helper anyway, but skill level up M is still a very nice thing to have for some Pokémon particularly if it's useful with minimal investment.
>>55927118Min-maxing means something like avoiding ingredient finder on a berry mon, so skill level up is actually a good slot compared to a wasted or detrimental slot.
>>55927385Well yes and no. Min-maxing does mean to avoid everything detrimental, but even though Skill Level Up is useful it's slightly detrimental to achieving absolute performance.For a skill specialist and maximising skill triggers above all else, for example Wigglytuff, you'd prefer:>Evolved up from Igglybuff (+2 main skill level, +10 carry capacity)>Skill Trigger M>Skill Trigger S>Helping Speed M>Helping Speed S>Helping Bonus>Careful or Sassy nature (Main Skill Chance increased)>3 Main Skill Seeds used for greatest effectThat represents the maximum potential skill trigger chance and rate.Any subskill slots taken by Skill Level Up S and/or M is one that didn't go towards Skill Trigger or Helping Speed increases. Of course, this game is all random pulls and you just have to roll with what you get.I was extremely lucky to get as good of a shiny Igglybuff as I did, it has the maximum skill trigger chance coupled with Helping Bonus and Berry Finding S.
>>55926597>yet more downplay of energy recoveryHere's another two reasons it's good>Aren't always able to get a full 8 and a half hours of sleep>You jusy flat out don't sleep that long
>>55927484By not fulfilling your 8.5 hrs of maximum tracked sleep, more importantly you're missing out on Sleep Points, Pokemon EXP, and Drowsy Power multipliers. Energy recovery is honestly one of the least important things you get out of sleeping. So if you have your full 8.5 hrs, you get literally nothing unless your pokemon also has Energy Down nature. That's what makes it a bad skill for the vast majority of players.
>>55927511>vast majorityA vast majority of players are not averaging 8 and a half hours of sleep you fucking neet.
>>55927517I'm sorry that your job doesn't allow you to leave your phone for 8.5 hours. Or even buying the fucking pokeball thing if you can't part with your phone for that long.
Got a new cyndaquil today, but is it better than the quilava I was already using?
>>55927752Here is the quilava
>>55927752Yes, Berry Finding alone makes it better.Though the Quilava really isn't that bad either. I would consider training both of them up, though getting Berry Finding on the Cyndaquil would be a priority.
>>55927752>>55927757The Cyndaquil is much, much better thanks to Berry Finding S. Helping bonus is also fantastic.It does have one disadvantage in that it lacks Fiery Herbs on 30.The Quilava would be faster, but it'd gather fewer berries overall.The skill triggers are nice, but not essential.
>>55927787>>55927811Alrighty, wasn't sure how it would balance with the helping speed the other has. I'll pump it up and evolve it then, thanks!
>>559275431. I have the go++2. I don't game the app, i use it as actually intended
>>55925322I haven't done the math, but as a F2P player don't you get more overall out of using as many incenses as you can?To use an incense safely you need 5 entei biscuits, so realistically I think you'd only use 2 incenses or so. By using as much incense as possible instead you get more opportunity for a hungry Entei, and chances to build up his friendship. You also get way more exp out of it.
Does the Entei Biscuit and Incense reset next week? Or is what is currently there now strictly for the 2 weeks?And how many points does the Entei Biscuit give to Entei?
>>55928653Make sure you have enough for at least 2 biscuits before using an incense. During raikou even I never got a hungry, big hit, shiny, or able to feed more than twice.
>>55927478If we’re being super strict about hypothetical best pokemon youd replace help speed s with bfs, and hit the cap through other help bonus
>>55928653You're using up Manes to get those incenses though, which cost a lot. And chances to get a hungry one are pretty low, even if you're using a Friendship Incense too. I'm still buying the Main Skill Seeds and Fire Stone from the exchange, so like the Raikou event, I only came out of that one with 2.5 Raikous as each one required 2 Incenses, even after I got 2 hungries.>>55928663They add a couple more reduced-price incenses and biscuits to the shop in the second week as separate stocks. Everything else remains the same.Enteir Biscuits are 6 points. Pretty much everything is spelled out in-game event banner page.
Page 10.Time to finally die this time.
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uuuhhhhh saverino
